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		<title>Argus Hamilton On Ken Starr And California’s Proposition 8</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA["Ken Starr argued on behalf of Proposition 8 banning gay marriage to the California Supreme Court on Thursday. He already got Bill Clinton impeached for heterosexual sex. It would appear he's against forms of fornication except for legal fees." -- Argus Hamilton Ken Starr and California's Proposition 8]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Ken Starr argued on behalf of Proposition 8 banning gay marriage to the California Supreme Court on Thursday. He already got Bill Clinton impeached for heterosexual sex. It would appear he’s against forms of fornication except for legal fees.” — Argus Hamilton Ken Starr and California’s Proposition 8</p>
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		<title>California Gay Rights Activists Show Us Intolerance Works Both Ways</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In what is considered one of the more liberal and progressive states in the country, California seemingly took one giant step backward as its citizens <a href=http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/11/04/ca/state/prop/8/>narrowly passed</a> an initiative to ban same-sex marriages on the November 4, 2008 ballot. The California Supreme Court <a href=http://sacbee.com/topstories/story/1677106.html>went to session</a> earlier this week to decide whether Proposition 8 is valid or invalid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><center><a href=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2008/11/06/MN3B13UM63.DTL&#038;o=6><img src="http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7884/mnmarriage05co049941082.jpg" alt="Marriage"></a></center></p>
<p>In what is considered one of the more liberal and progressive states in the country, California seemingly took one giant step backward as its citizens <a href=http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/11/04/ca/state/prop/8/>narrowly passed</a> an initiative to ban same-sex marriages on the November 4, 2008 ballot. The California Supreme Court <a href=http://sacbee.com/topstories/story/1677106.html>went to session</a> earlier this week to decide whether Proposition 8 is valid or invalid.</p>
<p>Proposition 8, or the Defense of Marriage Act, amended the state constitution to define a marriage as being between a man and a woman, effectually taking away the right for same-sex couples to marry.</p>
<p>Proposition 8 became the most heated political debate in state history outside of presidential elections and easily the <a href=http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/elections/ci_11611142>most expensive social issue campaign</a> in U.S. history. Contributions totaled $39.9 million to the pro-Prop 8 campaign and $43.3 million to the against-Prop 8 campaign.</p>
<p><strong>Results and History</strong></p>
<p><a href=http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/sov/2008_general/maps/returns/props/prop-8.htm><img style="margin: 10px; float: right" src="http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4088/mapakw.jpg" alt="Proposition 8 Voting Map" width="300"></a>California voters passed the initiative 52.3% to 47.7% (7,001,084 to 6,401,482 votes). The voting pattern highlights the geographical divide of California. The more density populated coastal areas, as in the San Francisco Bay Area, tend to be and vote liberal while the central valley and inland areas, as in Fresno and Bakersfield, tend to be and vote conservative. </p>
<p>Los Angeles tends to more often than not be the deciding factor in polarizing issues, and the <i>Los Angeles Times</i> has a great <a href=http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-2008election-prop8prop4,0,7638046.htmlstory>county-by-county breakdown</a> of the voting results. L.A. County surprisingly supported Proposition 8 (50.4% to 49.6%), but not by much, which contrasts its progressive Hollywood image.</p>
<p>Within the past decade, gay marriage has become a hot topic in California. Voters passed Proposition 22 on March 7, 2000 that defined marriage as being between a man and a woman. The initiative <a href=http://www.marriagewatch.org/media/prop22.htm>passed overwhelmingly</a> 61.4% to 38.6%. Years later, state legislators would pass Assembly Bill 849 to make California the first state in the country to approve gay marriages without pressure from the state supreme court. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger would later veto the bill, eventually making way for Proposition 8 to make its way onto a ballot.</p>
<p><strong>The Fallout</strong></p>
<p>Even after all of the ballots were counted and Proposition 8 passed, the issue of gay marriage in California did not go away. Had the initiative not pass, the issue still would not have gone away.</p>
<p>Exit polls found that black and Latino voters <a href=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html>largely supported</a> Proposition 8, which drew much ire from activists confused that historically discriminated ethnicities could be so unsympathetic to an often discriminated group. Barak Obama <a href=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/obamas-tricky-s.html>didn’t help</a>.</p>
<p>It took a while, but later separate studies by the Public Policy Institute of California (<a href=http://www.ppic.org/main/home.asp>PPIC</a>) and the <a href=http://www.thetaskforce.org>National Gay and Lesbian Task Force</a> contradicted the exit polls and stated that religious affiliation proved more an indicator as to how the person would vote on Prop 8. The <a href=http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/jtf/JTF_Prop8JTF.pdf>PPIC’s report</a> (PDF) indicated that Evangelical Christians were 85% likely to vote for the initiative versus non-whites who were 57% likely. Research by Patrick J. Egan and Kenneth Sherrill (“California’s Proposition 8:  What Happened, and What Does the Future Hold?”) for the <a href=http://www.thetaskforce.org/>Task Force</a>‘s Policy Institute <a href=http://www.thetaskforce.org/press/releases/pr_1_06_09>explained</a> that while black and Latino voters largely supported the initiative, the exit poll figures were overestimates. </p>
<p><center><a href=http://blog.techfun.org/adl-denounces-church-vandalism-following-prop-8s-passage><img src="http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4184/churchvandalism1.jpg" alt="Vandalism from Proposition 8's Passing"></a></center></p>
<p>Gay marriage activists were forced to turn their attention to religious groups that supported the measure, chiefly <a href=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/27/BAP113OIRD.DTL>Mormons</a>. Unfortunately, that attention came in the form of <a href=http://www.christianexaminer.com/Articles/Articles%20Dec08/Art_Dec08_09.html>protests, violence, and vandalism</a>. Targeting <a href=http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/1403369.html>Mormons</a> were aided by transparency laws that made <a href=http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/prop8/>donor lists public information</a>. </p>
<p>Bad. Very bad. Gay marriage supporters did not help themselves and seemingly gave themselves free passes to run amok in the name of progressivism.</p>
<p>How come those actions weren’t considered hate crimes? If not, they came awfully close. I can’t understand how even the most righteous people found that behavior acceptable. Imagine if the roles were reversed. Do you know how much outcry there would have been had people vandalized the buildings of gay and lesbian organizations?</p>
<p>I support gay rights, but in no way did I support the attempt to humiliate and out Proposition 8 supporters simply because they donated money, in this economy no less, to a cause they believed in. Public participation is democracy at its best.</p>
<p>While I can’t blame the entire gay rights movement for the actions of a few individuals, those bad apples nonetheless made progressives look like (1) crybabies, (2) thugs, and (3) idiots. It even <a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/08/business/08stream.html?em>rekindled</a> the constant privacy debate in our <a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/08/business/08stream.html?em>transparency laws</a>. </p>
<p>How come no one praises Proposition 8 supporters for using legal means to attain their goals? While I don’t support their goals, I will always admire their efforts (if legal and proper), although the <a href=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/19/local/me-gayschools19>school misinformation tactics were shameful</a>. </p>
<p><strong>The Future</strong></p>
<p><center><a href=http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-prop8-supreme-court6-2009mar06,0,798075.story><img  src="http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9785/45413502.jpg" alt="Proposition 8 to be Decided at California Supreme Court"></a></center></p>
<p>I have no doubt that gay marriage will eventually be legal not just in California but in the entire country as well. It is inevitable. Egan and Sherrill’s research shows the change in Californians’ votes on marriage equality from 2000’s Proposition 22 to 2008’s Proposition 8 was a 9% total decline of “yes” votes, as well as percentage declines in every measure except Republican votes.</p>
<p>The battle for marriage equality will be a lengthy one, as many individual states take baby steps in the wording of their respective laws from same-sex marriages to civil unions to complete bans.</p>
<p>Ultimately, one side will simply have to suck it up and accept the result. Unfortunately, all signs point to victory for gay marriage supporters. For California’s part in all of this, the issue has fallen onto the <a href=http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/supreme/highprofile/prop8.htm>state Supreme Court</a>. I will refrain from predicting the court’s verdict because the issue will soon go back into the hands of voters via the initiative process and will probably return for judicial review.</p>
<p>The true consequence of this whole Proposition 8 ordeal is the reality that few people really understand tolerance and what it was meant for. Tolerance works both ways and, while I hate to generalize the entire against-Prop 8 group, a few bad apples ruined the message and fight for gay rights. There was immediate prejudice against religious groups, with the Church of Latter-Day Saints in particular. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t prejudice the chief enemy of tolerance?</p>
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